NoWayInHell (2022-2023)

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Application Information

F - Fee Waiver A - Attending W - Withdrawn D - Deferred
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# Law School Status Type $$$ Sent Received Complete Interview Date Decision Updated
Columbia University Rejected Type: Sent: 10/01/10 Rec: 10/14/10 Comp: 10/14/10 Inter: -- Dec: 02/04/11 Upd: 13 years
#5 Loyola University Chicago F Rejected Type: Sent: 11/21/10 Rec: 11/23/10 Comp: 12/01/10 Inter: -- Dec: 01/08/11 Upd: 13 years
#1 George Washington University Rejected Type: ED Sent: 10/01/10 Rec: 10/20/10 Comp: 10/20/10 Inter: -- Dec: 01/28/11 Upd: 13 years
#4 Catholic University of America F Rejected Type: Sent: 10/01/10 Rec: 10/04/10 Comp: 10/05/10 Inter: -- Dec: 01/08/11 Upd: 13 years
#2 George Mason University F Rejected Type: Sent: 10/01/10 Rec: 10/07/10 Comp: 10/07/10 Inter: -- Dec: 12/01/10 Upd: 13 years
#3 Washington and Lee University F Rejected Type: Sent: 10/01/10 Rec: 10/04/10 Comp: 10/04/10 Inter: -- Dec: 11/11/10 Upd: 13 years
#5 DePaul University F Rejected Type: Sent: 10/01/10 Rec: 10/07/10 Comp: 10/07/10 Inter: -- Dec: 10/26/10 Upd: 13 years

Applicant Information

  • LSAT: 151
  • LSAT 2: 147
  • LSAT 3: -
  • GRE : -
  • LSAC GPA: 2.68
  • Degree GPA: 2.22
  • School Type: Private Tier 1
  • Major: Mechanical Engineering

Demographic Information

  • City: Suburbs
  • State: Maryland
  • Race: Caucasian/Filipino
  • Gender: Man
  • Non-Traditional Applicant: Yes
  • Years out of Undergrad: 3-4 Years

Extra Curricular Information


: BS Mechanical Engineering
: AS Engineering
: AS Mathematics


: 4 month in Configuration Management
: 1 & 1/2 years with United States Patent & Trademark Office
: 5 years retail


: Government Clearance
: USPTO Certificate of Training
: NCEES Engineer-in-Training (EIT) Certificate


: AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics)
: ASME (American Society Of Mechanical Engineers)
: SAE (all-terrain building competition)
: SAE International (Society of Automotive Engineers)
: SWE (Society of Women Engineers)


: Spanish (intermediate)
: Italian (novice)

Additional info & updates

I know I don't have a good GPA or LSAT score. I know I don't have his looks. I know I don't have his money. I know I don't have his connections, his knowledge of fine wines. I know sometimes when I eat I get this clicking sound in my jaw... But I do have experience in patent law and arguing against attorneys on which I base my confidence in being a successful lawyer. Hopefully with my scientific background, two awesome LORs, and Personal Statement I have a fighting chance of gaining a seat at a Tier 1 (or Tier "2") school.


10/01/10 : Applied to GWU early decision; GMU early application; and Columbia early application. My hopes are so high your ki... rejection might kill me. : Applied to Catholic, Washington & Lee, and DePaul; early applications. The only question left is should I apply to Georgetown to round out my rejections?

10/04/10 : W&L and CUA applications are complete. Now we play the waiting game.

10/04/10 supplemental : Reading blogs like Third Tier Reality or JDUnderground scares the crap outta me.

10/05/10 : Decided to face reality and not bother to apply to Georgetown. I hate to acquiesce defeat or whatever but it costs $85 plus $12 to apply and I'm nowhere near their LSAT norms. Lamesauce.

10/07/10 : GMU application is complete. I'd actually love to go there. The location is pretty awesome and convenient. : DePaul application is complete as well. I've been reading on some blogs that DePaul is a bad school and expensive to boot. If anyone out there has any insight to share I'd love to hear it.

10/10/10 : Hehe.

10/11/10 : I keep reading posts on and it just really seems like law is a poor choice of career field. Hmm... I suppose I feel confident in life because of my engineering degree but it's not like that's any sort of guarantee either. I might pursue a Masters if this experiment fails. That said - I REALLY WANT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL. I think those schools I applied to should just go ahead and send me nice big envelopes of acceptance.

10/12/10 : Still haven't heard from GW or Columbia. Not an email saying they received my application or anything. WTF

10/14/2010 : DePaul app is in review. I wonder how it'll go. Chicago would be a nice city to live in. Cold though. : Columbia app is finally complete and received. Could you imagine going there? I mean, it's fantastic. Even though my chances are slim, just the possibility and imagining myself there is great fun.

10/19/2010 : Just waiting on those responses. I don't think I'll be applying to any other schools. $150k is too deep a debt to owe if I don't get into the schools I've already chosen. Even then...

10/19/2010 supplemental : So I spent a semester on Academic Probation and it's haunting me still.

10/20/2010 : GW app is finally received and complete. Hurray, rejection pending!

10/22/2010 : Why does working with the registrar and dean's office have to be such a chore? Why do people lord any little bit of authority they have over the heads of others? Terrible.

10/26/2010 : Got rejected by DePaul today. I didn't plan on going but getting accepted would have been nice. 1 down 5 to go.

11/01/10 : Received an Open-House invitation from DePaul in the mail today despite being rejected by them nearly a week ago. Isn't it ironic? Don't ya think? ...No, it's actually quite annoying and shows they're uncoordinated at best. Screw Chicago, I like my pizza NY style anyway.

11/04/10 : Today I was emailed by Ave Maria in Naples, FL. There's a fee waiver so maybe it's worth $12 to apply but then again it's TTTT. The only way I'd go is if it were a full-ride... This economic depression is emotionally depressing.

11/05/10 : Another email, this time from Loyola in Chicago. The fee is waived so maybe $12 isn't so bad to apply. It's funny considering my crack about Chicago pizza (which I stand by).

11/09/10 : My Columbia app is complete! Complete-complete. For real this time. God I'd love to go to school there. I'd gladly incur the debt. But you know, che sar sar.

11/10/10 : My W&L app is in review. Hmm...

11/11/10 : Washington & Lee... DENIED. That's alright, W&L is in BF, Egypt anyway. Four more rejections left to go!

11/21/10 : I've gone ahead and applied to Loyola Chicago. I don't know how I particularly feel about tier 2 schools and they might be equally wary about me. But I have a friend from Chicago and he highly recommends the city.

11/26/10 : My Loyola app was received on the 23rd. And today I got a nice big envelope in the mail. Unfortunately it was just a stupid school magazine from USC. They didn't even include a fee waiver... not cool getting my hopes up like that.

12/01/10 : GMU says thank you but no thank you. Meh. This whole process is just draining. I know my LSAT score sucks and I know that schools need a way to eliminate applicants. So I'm not surprised that I'm not being met with open arms. That doesn't make it suck any less. Once this is all said and done I think I'll be happy to put it all behind me and move on. To what I'm not entirely sure. : Loyola app is complete. Cool. Seems like a nice place.

12/07/10 : I'm not gonna get into the details here but I was at US District Court today and it's pretty awesome.

12/11/10 : I received a holiday card from GMU thanking me for my interest in their school and wishing me luck. Pfft. Why bother? I mean, honestly. Plus the card has a photo of the Washington monument. GMU isn't a district school! So there. Bah humbug.

12/20/10 : Still waiting on some apps. I don't think I'll get in so I mean... that's okay. I guess. The plan now is to hope that I passed my Engineer-in-Training exam and then study for and take the Patent Agents exam. It's been a year and a half since I quit the Patent Office but I should be able to pass it since I had to learn it all anyway. Then try again with the LSAT and do one final cycle of apps assuming my score improves. If not then I'll put this law school dream to rest.

12/23/10 : So apparently CUA rendered a decision and mailed it out to me on 12/03/10. I have yet to receive it, at least in my own hands. I wonder what it says. I also got an invitation to apply to UDC. And while I'm sure it's a fine institution, ranking makes a big difference. Even going to a 2nd Tier school is a bit of a gamble isn't it, let alone 4th?

12/28/10 : Received notice from GWU that I didn't get the biding early decision. But they'll still review my app for regular decision. In other news I passed the FE and my next goal is to study for the patent bar and get a registration number.

01/05/2011 : Loyola has made a decision - I just have to wait for it in the mail. I've signed up to take the Feb. LSAT so it's time to study, study, study!

01/08/2011 : As expected, I did not get into Loyola or Catholic. My s/n isn't NoWayInHell for nothin'. I think I might post-pone that Feb. LSAT and instead take the traditional April/May (w/e) exam. There are more interesting things in the works so I want to be flexible. And yes, there are things more interesting than law school folks. Which is actually a good thing. Consider for a moment that the average cost of attendance over a 3-year law program is in the neighborhood of 165,000USD. Meanwhile, the US produces over 50,000 freshly minted JD's a year. In a saturated job market only the cream of the crop will make six-figures upon graduating. Note the legal section of Craigslist and you'll find offers of $10 per hour for legal services. And while I'm sure everyone would work super duper hard in law school, bear in mind that 90% of the population IS NOT in the 10% of their class.

01/10/11 : I didn't know it was $65 to switch testing dates. Guess I have a month to study for Feb.

01/11/11 : Jeje.

01/17/11 : Waiting on GWU and Columbia... Now I don't think I'll actually get into these schools but til I get the small envelopes it's fun to dream. Why not?

01/28/11 : As expected I didn't get into GWU. While not a surprise, I'm still disappointed. I'm disappointed at not getting in. But I'm also disappointed in getting rejected via email. That's what an $85 application fee buys you apparently. Classy. But they damn sure like to send out requests for alumni donations don't they?

02/04/11 : And that's all she wrote folks. I just "EPIC FAIL"ed with today's rejection letter from Columbia. It was written better than the other ones too.

So I guess that's all for this cycle. The plan now is to study super duper hard and retake the LSAT. I plan to take the Patent Agents exam in a couple months. Also, I think I'm applying to transfer into a second bachelor's program for mathematics which can help me on the undergrad GPA side. In the meantime I'll keep working as a defense contractor at a company I'd love to name but won't.

I wish everyone the best of luck in being accepted into the program they want the most and I'll be back for the next cycle. Hopefully I won't see you there because you'll be knee deep in L1 torts or whatever.

07/09/2011 : I guess it's that time of year to start planning for the application cycle. I did end up applying to a math program at Gtown that I was surprised to not get into. I mean, how long could the line be to learn math? Right? Anyway, I have been cleared to take the Patent Agent's Exam and so I gotta do some studying for that and the October LSAT. Time to get super cereal!

12/10/2011 : Actually, gonna put all this off a year and try the LSAT one last time in the Spring of 2012.

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Keep the faith
Thursday, September 30 2010 at 08:00 PM

Hey bro, i'm in MD too. Keep the faith, you'll do fine. I'll be checkin in on you to see how everything is going. hollah7

Thursday, September 30 2010 at 08:00 PM

Thanks for the encouraging words. I'll definitely need some divine intervention. Good luck to you too!

What up
Wednesday, October 13 2010 at 08:00 PM


reply to patent examining
Tuesday, February 10 2009 at 07:00 PM

I was interested in looking for jobs in that area, but it seemed to me (and maybe I was looking in the wrong place) that those jobs are in the DC area. Since I am locked into the Pittsburgh area (my wife is finishing grad school this spring)it was not an option geographically. It would have been great to get the experience but the workforce now is hard enough as it is. Thanks for the input and good luck as well

Monday, October 18 2010 at 08:00 PM

I'm also applying to DePaul. Good luck! I'm actually from a Tier 1 liberal arts school as well and the good news is they weigh our grades so we get bumped up a little! Waiting on my October LSAT score and then hopefully I'll get a response soon!

Tuesday, October 19 2010 at 08:00 PM

Your additional information really made me laugh. Good luck on your applications!

Wayne's World
Thursday, September 30 2010 at 08:00 PM

Thanks! But I kinda borrowed the funny parts.

Sorry about DePaul
Monday, October 18 2010 at 08:00 PM

I'm sorry about DePaul! It's really their loss in the end and I'm still rooting for you. I fear we may be in the same boat once my LSAT score gets in on Friday. Also, you speak Italian? I'm also somewhat of an intermediate.

Monday, October 18 2010 at 08:00 PM

I applied to Loyola too. It is actually my first choice in Chicago. It is a very good school in a very good market. I think they get a decent amount of career placement. I think I'll only go if I get significant scholarship money. I really like their health law stuff, but American may put me in a better place to practice and plus American has grant aid AND a LRAP program for people looking to go into public interest and I'm really mainly interested in being a public interest healthcare attorney. Good luck though! You should apply to American! They seem pretty lenient with GPA and LSAT

Weighted Grading?
Sunday, November 21 2010 at 07:00 PM

Hey I just have a question? I saw you mention tier 1 weighted grading in one of your comments on someone else's page.. what is that about?

Thursday, September 30 2010 at 08:00 PM

Hey, thanks anonymous. You have a happy new year buddy.

Saturday, January 08 2011 at 07:00 PM

I completely understand your situation. Engineering is NOT easy. That is also what screwed up my GPA. Have you considered applying to schools that are not ranked?

Tuesday, December 14 2010 at 07:00 PM

Hi, I took the Oct test and was disappointed with the results. I retook it in Dec and scored 5 points higher. My trick was not letting the test consume me. I studied when I felt like it (unlike the first tine when I studied every spare second I had) and was much more relaxed going in. It sounds like you have other things going on that may pull you away from law school. That's great. Less to worry about when you retest. I'm rooting for you. Good luck

You're smart!
Thursday, September 30 2010 at 08:00 PM

Damn Anonymous, way to spoil the surprise! All this time I was totally expecting to get into Columbia law with a full scholarship. You're right, it IS an Epic Fail to not get into the #4 law school in the nation. Epic in that I could not have expected to NOT get in. Well, I guess I'll just have to take my insignificant background in engineering and try to eek out a meager living and go be a failure. But on your suggestion, yes, maybe I will go to Florida Coastal or Cooley so I can join the ranks of those JD's who will go on to be way more successful than I ever could without that degree. But man, you burned me so good. I can't even judge you because you were so clever to remain anonymous. You must be a Harvard grad that works in the Senate or something equally impressive. You were so kind to key me into the way it is. I hope your firm will be just as kind and represent me (pro bono of course) when I eventually start knocking over liquor stores. Hehehe, I just said "bono". Man I'm dumb aren't I! Eat my balls.

love it
Tuesday, December 14 2010 at 07:00 PM

Hey Man, I love your last post. Very funny. As a Md resident why didn't you apply to UMD and U of Baltimore? I know it's TTTT but I know lawyers doing very well from there (so far they are the only school that has accepted me). My thought is I want to use my previous background when I get out so I should be fine no matter where I graduate from. If GT or GW doesn't want me...their loss. Good luck with the Feb LSAT!!!

Tuesday, December 14 2010 at 07:00 PM

Is nice but i can't see living there anymore. I lived there for a few years while I was in school. My biggest problem with schools in B'more is the travel time. I live in the DC Metro area. I also haven't visited there yet. I'm going to an accepted students day in feb to check out UofB Also goinng to talk to a coworkers husband who graduated from there last year and LOVED it. Keep the positive attitude :~)

About that second bachelors...
Wednesday, January 26 2011 at 07:00 PM

I don't mean to discourage you, because you must have gone through some rough times and sound like you have everything under control BUT... ...LSDAS only considers your GPA until you receive your FIRST bachelor's degree. Second one doesn't matter. So your GPA won't change, and unless you score in the 170s, I don't think that any of the better schools you applied to would consider you as a candidate. Maybe not even then. You sound way smarter than a lot of lawyers, and I don't think you need more education to figure out your career path. Just keep your degrees on your resume, your GPA off and let your work experience speak for itself!! xox

Thursday, September 30 2010 at 08:00 PM

I didn't know that, very interesting. Seems they treat a second bachelor's as a grad degree. Well so much for that! Still might do math because I'd like to get into CFD but oh well. Thanks for the head's up Plurilingue.

Don't give up
Thursday, September 03 2009 at 08:00 PM

If this is your dream....Go for it....You got to retake the lsat though....take things slow and it will begin to me it can and will happen

Tuesday, December 14 2010 at 07:00 PM

Just sent you a PM.