sandphire (2022-2023)

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Application Information

F - Fee Waiver A - Attending W - Withdrawn D - Deferred
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# Law School Status Type $$$ Sent Received Complete Interview Date Decision Updated
Harvard University Rejected D Type: RA Sent: 09/15/07 Rec: 09/27/07 Comp: 10/31/07 Inter: -- Dec: 04/22/08 Upd: 16 years
Stanford University Rejected Type: RA Sent: 09/14/07 Rec: 09/17/07 Comp: 10/09/07 Inter: -- Dec: 04/09/08 Upd: 16 years
University of Michigan Ann Arbor F Accepted A Type: RA $135,000 Sent: 09/10/07 Rec: 09/14/07 Comp: 10/12/07 Inter: -- Dec: 11/16/07 Upd: 16 years
Northwestern University F Accepted W Type: RA $120,000 Sent: 10/11/07 Rec: 10/12/07 Comp: 10/19/07 Inter: -- Dec: 01/21/08 Upd: 16 years
University of California Berkeley Rejected D Type: RA Sent: 10/08/07 Rec: 10/08/07 Comp: 10/29/07 Inter: -- Dec: 02/22/08 Upd: 16 years
New York University Accepted W Type: RA $123,000 Sent: 10/15/07 Rec: 10/16/07 Comp: 11/05/07 Inter: -- Dec: 12/08/07 Upd: 16 years
University of Virginia Accepted W Type: RA Sent: 10/11/07 Rec: 10/11/07 Comp: 10/18/07 Inter: -- Dec: 01/09/08 Upd: 16 years
University of Chicago Pending D W Type: RA Sent: 10/08/07 Rec: 10/08/07 Comp: 10/09/07 Inter: -- Dec: 02/05/08 Upd: 16 years
Columbia University F Pending D W Type: RA Sent: 10/04/07 Rec: 10/04/07 Comp: 10/10/07 Inter: -- Dec: 02/13/08 Upd: 16 years
Yale University Rejected Type: RA Sent: 09/27/07 Rec: 10/09/07 Comp: 01/09/08 Inter: -- Dec: 03/12/08 Upd: 16 years
Duke University F Accepted W Type: RA $54,000 Sent: 09/07/07 Rec: 09/08/07 Comp: 09/19/07 Inter: -- Dec: 09/19/07 Upd: 16 years
University of Pennsylvania F Rejected Type: RA Sent: 10/01/07 Rec: 10/02/07 Comp: 10/12/07 Inter: -- Dec: 01/14/08 Upd: 16 years
Cornell University Pending D W Type: RA Sent: 10/11/07 Rec: 10/11/07 Comp: 10/27/07 Inter: -- Dec: 12/17/07 Upd: 16 years

Applicant Information

  • LSAT: 177
  • LSAT 2: -
  • LSAT 3: -
  • GRE : -
  • LSAC GPA: 3.73
  • Degree GPA: -
  • School Type: -
  • Major: -

Demographic Information

  • City: -
  • State: -
  • Race: -
  • Gender: Woman
  • Non-Traditional Applicant: Yes
  • Years out of Undergrad: -

Extra Curricular Information

5 years WE

Adjusted the GPA since I'm essentially over (wasn't totally a planned deviation, but a typo I left for that sake)

I'm extremely happy with the outcome of my cycle, though it was not what I expected. I look somewhat enviously at those who have a full list of acceptances, but far prefer the scholarship offers I received. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a re-app to Harvard - rejected last year (with LSAT scores a few points lower and now too old to use, and before some other changes), which I know impacted my Harvard result this year. I suspect my application was a little messier than most, which may be the reason for some of my deferrals/rejections. Or not - I've discovered I'm not good at understanding or playing the admissions game.

(Taking a step back and looking at the results of my cycle - it really seems rather bad - hopefully no one takes the overall results as an indicator of what you get with my numbers, I've got enough going on that isn't quite normal (good and bad) that I suspect I can't much be used to predict anyone. But I'm happy to contribute my data - and you'll notice that the schools who liked me really liked me :) )

Additional info & updates

Received date is the date the school requested my report or the date I received notification from the school that they received my application, whichever came first.

Complete, of course, is when the school notified me that my application was complete.

Decision date is currently the date I received the decision, rather than, for example, the date the status checker changed to decision.

9/19 - In at Duke priority track via email - did not write a why Duke.

11/5 - All complete but Yale...getting a bit concerned about that one. I couldn't possibly have deleted the email, right?

11/13 - Michigan status checker changed to decision

11/16 - In at Michigan! Summer start, regular decision. Via mail, did not write a why Michigan essay.

12/3 - Darrow invite from Michigan via email

12/8 - NYU!!! Rather plain envelope, nice purple folder inside though!

12/17 - Deferred at Cornell via mail...huh...rather miffed about that - that pretty much kills my interest, especially given their statement that I must email to be considered after Feb 1st - why would I apply if I didn't want to be considered? Which is a shame, because I sort of liked Cornell... cold doesn't scare me, small is nice... but it's sort
of a why would I like you if you didn't like me deal (I'll get over it soon)

12/18 - After reviewing my Cornell application, I see nothing out of sorts - the application included exactly the same things that were sent to all the other schools, except that Cornell didn't exclude traffic violations so they got a note about my three, very normal, speeding tickets, and a Dean's cert - which shouldn't have been an issue. My application isn't straightforward, but I currently have no idea why I was deferred given my acceptances to other schools, since they received the same information - it would seem more logical if I hadn't been accepted to other schools already. I'd really like to call to ask why...

12/19 - Got the Darrow phone call this afternoon - full tuition plus stipend! Michigan currently at the top of my (still short) list. Not so sad about Cornell anymore. Still psyched that the school called me (on the phone, talking, to give me the news - like put some extra effort into it) - it's my first call) - absolutely thrilled. Apparently, decided by someone else, 133k is the number this year (approx 42k tuition per year plus what I believe is a 7.5k stipend - I'll update when I get it in writing if it's any different). (135k quoted in the letter, but I'm not seeing the math...)

1/5/08 - Status checker changed on UVA to say a decision had been made late yesterday....

1/9/08 - The UVA "Committee on Admissions has voted" to offer me admission. Which is nice. The word voted seems odd (like it wasn't a consensus?), but I guess as long as it's in the context of an acceptance it doesn't really matter and I'm happy with it anyway. Regular sized, thin envelope. Postmarked 1/7, even though my status checker said 1/4. Sadly, nothing about money.

Also, after exactly 3 months, Yale finally sent a complete notice - I had about given up, since I wasn't missing anything when I submitted the application. I feel better knowing they've at least looked at it now. Northwestern is a little late much for 6-8 weeks to a decision (but I'll take an acceptance at anytime :) ).

I guess I can add withdrawn to Cornell by default, since I'm not going ask to be considered after Feb 1.

1/10 - Got that email from Boalt - the one that says my app has passed the initial review - and that the committee will begin deliberating on Jan 28th and I can expect a decision in mid-February. Is it a good sign that I got the email a month after they started sending them? I'm not inclined to mark deferred, since they're telling me they'll consider it in 18 days...

1/14 - Happy Monday...Penn rejection via snail mail. Nice to be in the first wave of RD rejections, makes me somehow feel special. Anyone else think it odd that I got a Darrow from Michigan and a rejection from Penn? I guess I get to be that little dot on the graph this year (or the ABA data sheet) that everyone points to and says, what did she do? Nothing different for Penn than anywhere else. Didn't have a particular reason for Penn, which may have come across in my choice not to write a Why Penn. I am a bit insulted that they couldn't be bothered to fold the letter properly - the folds are all uneven and diagonal, guess they really wanted to get it out the door. (Just looked...Penn doesn't do the little LSAT/GPA chart - bummer. I was looking forward to being on that)

1/21 - In at Northwestern via .pdf (I'm not sure how I feel about the electronic letter idea) - I was getting worried - 14.5 weeks, and their financial aid forms need to be sumbitted crazy early (Feb 1), so I wanted to know (I wasn't going to bother if they were going to defer me). Better late than never though :)

(I've realized that the rejection from Penn did leave me a little shaken (but not about Penn specifically, although I wouldn't have predicted straight rejection) - I received another letter for Michigan and thought, for a moment, that it was going to be the letter where they tell me they've looked at things again and realized, just kidding, they want their money back)

1/28 - Where is my NU admit package? 1 mile down the street at the Fed Ex building...where it's been since the wee hours of the morning. What's it still doing there, you ask? Apparently Fed Ex is so determined to deliver on the date they give when you ship that they're willing to sit on my package until 1/30, the estimated delivery status updates: 4:24am at local Fed Ex facility, 6:30am package not due for delivery, 9:07am package not due for delivery, 9:23 am package not due for delivery - someone picked up my package at least 4 times this morning, long enough to scan it, but yet, not to deliver it...

And since I'm adding meaningless comments, I'd like to state, as many have already, that I think the Harvard status checker is pointless, and perhaps even cruel...yes, it's great to know that my app has been under review since 10/19, but you're going to email me to call me or email me to reject me, so you exist only so I have one more thing to stare as as my application crawls towards a decision...(whatever happened to Harvard's 2 month window for a response...shouldn't I have at least been put on hold by now?)

1/30 - Finally got NU's admit package - it was definitely worth the wait...I'm impressed. Can't do the ASW but will be visiting next month. Sadly nothing from Columbia, no word from Chicago...

(and it occurs to me that the world does not revolve around me and perhaps the Harvard status checker IS useful to those who applied later and are anxiously awaiting complete status)

2/5 Held at Chicago via snail mail. I'm really just done - I'm not interested in jumping through any more admissions hoops. If I'm held, they won't give me any money, so, compared to Michigan, there's really no point (and their loan repayment program is awful so they would have had to give me money up front for it to be feasible, given my PI leanings)...but it's Chicago so I'm sure I will grudgingly send off another letter of recommendation and contemplate writing another few pages on something totally meaningless...I really just want a final decision. On everyone. Good or bad, I'm out of patience - this is really starting to feel like torture. And can I just point out that the likelihood that I get another letter of recommendation into LSAC in time for LSAC to process it in time for Chicago to get it is slim to none? And while it may be "optional," I'm sure the likelihood of eventual admission is heavily depenent on supplementing your application, so I'm not sure why they even pretend that it isn't a requirement/expectation.

An hour later...less bitter now, still frustrated - I feel like it's as good as a no, but they're going to draw it out as long as possible. And I still don't like the optional essay choices...

2/6 Guess it pays to submit your financial aid stuff early (NU did process it ridiculously quickly though - less than a week) - 90k from Northwestern (30k per year)!Things just got a little harder...

I've decided I'm sending an additional letter of rec to Chicago, but that's it - we'll see if it gets there in time (hopefully fed ex-ing it works just as well now as earlier in the season)

2/7 Held at Harvard via email - which I'm pretty happy with considering the other option at this stage is rejection. I'll be supplementing my app with at least another letter - If I could do this over, I would have an extra letter on standby, instead of having to worry about timing and fed ex-ing.

Decided to mark Berkeley deferred, since that's basically what it just took me a while to adjust. And has anyone else noticed that Northwestern costs give or take 195k over three years? $195,000. I hadn't added until I got the scholarship, and then realized I'd still have to borrow over 100k. Ouch. I'm hoping NU is the worst.

2/13 Fedexing the letter of rec to LSAC worked just as well this time as it had earlier - overnighted it (in case it took longer to process), signed for at 10:28am, processed same day - beautiful. Also overnighted my Harvard LOCI and letter...because I could...

And held at Columbia via snail mail. Will likely withdraw, just need to make sure there isn't a reason I really want to go there.

2/19 - Recent visit to Northwestern. Really liked it - the people were great, faculty, staff, and students. I actually liked Chicago (I don't consider myself a city person) - it seemed managable, public transit seemed doable, and supposedly the neighborhoods are different enough that most people find an area they really like living. I like the idea that they have externship/practicum opportunities during the year, that Chicago can support that, that students can stay over the summer because the city has jobs/internships they like (I'm not a fan of the idea of subletting...but that's a small detail). Highly recommend emailing the dir of admissions, if you're visiting on a day other than the ASW - she was able to connect me with people in my areas of interest, everyone was happy to give me some time even if I was just stopping in, students were happy to talk about their experience, sections are small (60), I actually see the advantages of having a campus separate from the undergrad campus. I loved that it is right on the lake - I thought it was beautiful - and that was in the cold with some snow. I also realized how distracting it is to sit in a class with 60 students typing on their computer. I know I started with this, but I really liked the people (I suspect "feel" is what it will come down to for me). It's rather agonizing that I liked it so much, because I can see myself going there (I'm ready to move there tomorrow, though I've been mentally living in Ann Arbor for several months, so that's not unique), which means I am going to have a difficult decision with Michigan. NU also said, just kidding, have a Wigmore, which eliminates any real financial difference between the two schools (That was the moment I loved NU) - I have a feeling I'm going to really like Michigan too, and I'll have a really hard time deciding.

And I need to adjust to the idea of withdrawing, because there is no point in staying in on schools I know I won't go to. Maybe this weekend I'll make that my project.

2/22 - NYU called to invite me to interview for the Root-Tilden-Kern. I'll be heading up there in April. Berkeley mailed to say they'd rejected me (I didn't send anything additional to them). Saves me a withdrawal letter.

2/28 - 54k from Duke. Not even close. Especially considering that with the joint degree program, I'm paying for 7 semesters. Withdrawing so someone else can get the money (I don't actually think it works that way, but there is no use hanging on to the offer if I'm not going to accept it).

3/12 - Rejected from Yale - at least they didn't make me wait until April.

3/16 - Returned from Michigan's ASW. Met some very cool people - admitted and current students. I didn't realize it was going to be so exhausting. Really liked most of the school, just ran in to some unexpected downsides (I'm sure unique to me), so I'm not sure where that leaves me.

3/20 - The Michigan people are lovely and my downsides seem to have been addressed and eliminated in the past few days. Withdrew from Chicago, Columbia, and UVA - can't stomach the idea of having to borrow enormous amounts of money given my option at Michigan, even if the first two did let me in. Also hoping to set myself up to be able to make a final decision after the RTK interview at NYU (and offer, or non-offer). I think I know what I'm leaning towards, but I'd want to know about Harvard and Stanford. I also want that packet about the RTK interview that NYU promised this week :(

4/6 - RTK offer from NYU after admit and interview days. 123k is my best estimate based on current tuition. Will be calling Stanford and Harvard to see if I can't get a final decision before NYU's deadline - not optimistic, but I'll give it a try.

4/7 - Harvard and Stanford were not swayed by my pending deadline - I got the standard it's hard to predict when a decision will be made line. Was worth a try. Did learn that I was still before the committee at Stanford, which means, I think, that I'm not already in the rejection pile (or waitlist pile, or lost), which I guess is not bad news?

4/8 - Turned down the RTK at NYU...I know it is the right decision, but still, telling someone you don't want 123k isn't easy.

4/9 - Rejection letter from Stanford - more of a relief than a disappointment. Michigan it is!!! (It's almost like getting the Michigan acceptance again) I'll wait to see whether Harvard isa waitlist or rejection, just out of curiousity. Stanford letter dated April 4, mailed April 7, guess their computer wasn't quite up to date when I called...

4/22 - And the email from Harvard...I'd like to think it was because I emailed them about the RTK and they figured I was going to NYU, but I'll never know, and it doesn't really matter anyway. 4.5 weeks until classes start at Michigan!!!

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Monday, October 01 2007 at 08:00 PM

On Duke! :)

Sunday, August 05 2007 at 08:00 PM

hls email interview yet? not me:(

Sunday, August 05 2007 at 08:00 PM

i hope email will come soon for us..with you good numbers, i am surprised you have not gotten one yet...what field are you in? (i see you have WE)

Saturday, March 03 2007 at 07:00 PM

I haven't heard anything from Yale, but that's because one of my LORs isn't in yet. Hope you hear soon. :)

Sunday, July 22 2007 at 08:00 PM

Congratulations. I am a summer starter as well. Good luck with the rest of your cycle!

Monday, October 01 2007 at 08:00 PM

On Michigan!

re yale
Friday, September 28 2007 at 08:00 PM

I had the same experience. To be safe, I called the admissions office for an to make sure I was complete. As for being admitted, I am a SUPER long shot. You, on the other hand, are an excellent candidate. Good luck to you!

You too!
Monday, October 01 2007 at 08:00 PM

Congrats on NYU! :)

Monday, October 08 2007 at 08:00 PM

smells like yield protection to me. Since with your awesome #s, theres no other reason to defer you. Good luck with the rest of your schools!

Who cares
Tuesday, September 25 2007 at 08:00 PM

about Cornell, you're in at NYU! Just laugh it off...two of my best friendswere outright rejected from UPenn for undergrad, one ended up at Princeton, the other at Harvard. Guess it's not always a logical process...

Monday, June 18 2007 at 08:00 PM

Congrats to you too!

Thursday, July 05 2007 at 08:00 PM

Congrats on Michigan - that's awesome. So I saw that you got the Darrow invite and 2 1/2 weeks later got the call - was there something you submitted in that time period (essay etc?) or was the "considered" email just saying, "hey we are thinking about giving you this." Sorry so wordy!

Re: Age
Tuesday, October 02 2007 at 08:00 PM

Thanks for the encouragement! Though I agree with you, I fear the law school gods might not look at my age the same way. I've already been deferred from 3 schools, and I honestly can't think of any other reason for it than my young age. But deferrals are not rejections, so we'll see what happens come March/April. Good luck to you too!

only 4 of us
Monday, June 18 2007 at 08:00 PM

we're pretty cool, huh?

yes well
Monday, June 18 2007 at 08:00 PM

4 of 14?

Monday, June 18 2007 at 08:00 PM

i'll be there in april. you?

Monday, June 18 2007 at 08:00 PM

as fun as being under 21 would be and not meeting anyone, i'll have to wait for april.

Monday, October 01 2007 at 08:00 PM

On Virginia!

Tuesday, October 02 2007 at 08:00 PM

Congrats on getting into UVA as well!! I actually noticed on their website that they had an 18 year old and a 17 year old in recent years, so obviously they don't care too much about age. I'm glad :) Good luck with the rest of your cycle!

Saturday, October 20 2007 at 08:00 PM

Agreed. Your Penn entry made me laugh. I only hope I can end up in the same position as you - but that will require me to write the Darrow essay first, at least. Best of luck with the rest of your apps, though I'm sure you'll be smooth sailing from here on out!

Monday, July 16 2007 at 08:00 PM

Yield protect at Penn. Auto-admit numbers + no Why Penn Essay = Yield protect. Don't let it get you down.

Tuesday, October 02 2007 at 08:00 PM

I can't believe you got rejected at Penn. Deferred, maybe, but wow, they must be YPing like crazy. Which sucks, because they are one of my top choices. Like the people above me said, don't worry about that rejection, Penn was confident you'd get better offers so you should be too :) And thanks for the post, it was definitely funny.

Tuesday, December 04 2007 at 07:00 PM

You are doing amazing! Congrats on NU, it was my dream school until I messed up the lsats. I'm from the area, if you have any questions let me know! =0)

Tuesday, December 04 2007 at 07:00 PM

I didn't apply - most of those schools are me hoping Admissions will make a mistake and put me into the admit can dream!

Wednesday, December 19 2007 at 07:00 PM

for the congrats, and same to you! Def. don't let P get you've clearly got a whole lot going for you! My W.E. is heavy on the international public-interesty side with a little somethin' else thrown in. If you're interested in more info, email me. Continued success in your cycle, 'cause you sure don't need luck!

Sunday, January 06 2008 at 07:00 PM

Congrats on all your acceptances! Don't let Penn get you down, they reject everybody who doesn't write a Why Penn essay eventually. I'm really not sure what to make of Cornell, but I'm sure we'll find out together =) Good luck on the 6 you have left. I look forward at seeing you at some ASWs =D

Saturday, October 20 2007 at 08:00 PM

for the congrats - same to you! I had to laugh when I read your paragraph about the NU packet...I promise, it's worth the wait! I got mine today, and the smell of the leather portfolio (hope I'm not ruining the surprise!) is amazing. VERY well done, Northwestern!

Thank you!
Saturday, October 20 2007 at 08:00 PM

The Darrow is certainly a fantastic I definitely want to visit. I don't know which date yet, unfortunately, b/c, like you I'm still waiting on Columbia and Chicago and Staford, and I need to plan my work schedule with as much info as possible. Which one are you going to? Also, I agree that the NU package is fantastic - SO much information! I haven't even tried to digest it.

Wednesday, July 18 2007 at 08:00 PM

You too! Any ideas yet?

Wednesday, December 19 2007 at 07:00 PM

And belated congrats on your Darrow as well! Maybe I'll see you at an ASW? I'm thinking of going to the one in March. It seems like a million schools scheduled theirs for April...

Wednesday, December 19 2007 at 07:00 PM

(I meant to say the same weekend in April as Michigan's other ASW.) :)

Saturday, April 14 2007 at 08:00 PM

NU's in the absolute best part of Chicago, so there's really no shortage at all of stuff to do... we went to Navy Pier (super touristy) and rode bikes, shopped on the Mile, etc. At the school itself, we scheduled a tour with the admissions department, and they scheduled a pretty full day for us. Anyway, it should be a lot of fun - good luck with everything!

I empathize
Sunday, August 05 2007 at 08:00 PM

You are like my emotional-roller-coaster twin. Why are we twins? we both applied to HLS on the same day and have been waiting till this day. My application has also been under review since 10/18. Now according to the lsn boards, many have received deferrals... I didn't get one. too much agony. Are you in this boat too? absolutely nothing from HLS? not even a deferral email?

Michigan ASW
Wednesday, December 19 2007 at 07:00 PM

RSVP'd this morning for March. See you there! P.S. Sorry 'bout Chicago. I find your arguments for not jumping through their hoops pretty compelling!

Saturday, October 20 2007 at 08:00 PM

to hear about Chicago - I can definitely identify with your desire for finality. Best of luck deciding how to deal with the frustration! Looks like you sure will be doing a lot of traveling over the next few months. I'm still struggling with getting all of my taxes/my parents' tax stuff together to fill out all the financial aid stuff. I'm having a hard time deciding if it's worth it to submit FA stuff to ALL of my schools, in hopes that it will give me some bargaining power (if necessary) with my favorites... Yale is definitely a top contender at this point, but not a sure thing. I haven't ever visited their LS, so I want to make sure I'd be comfortable there. I went to UG in a similar-to-New Haven city in terms of the "CRIME!!" warnings everyone gives, and it wasn't bad at all. I just wish it was already August/September and all decided! But then there's the question of whether to ask for a deferral.... :)

hang in there
Sunday, August 05 2007 at 08:00 PM

I feel your pain.. just got deferred this morning from Hbomb. Congrats on your NU scholarship. When you said you sent in your financial stuff--do you mean you sent in a copy of your real tax report? or just an estimated one? I am still working on my taxes...should that make a difference?

Sunday, August 05 2007 at 08:00 PM

how did you get nu to increase your scholarship???

Friday, January 19 2007 at 07:00 PM

Hi Sandphire, I'm a 1L Darrow at Michigan. If you have any questions, feel free to send them my way. Congrats on your cycle!

Monday, July 16 2007 at 08:00 PM

Hey friend, Yeah, D. and I met up with some friends of mine after you left that I met through a mutual source. It was fun. We were both wishing you were there. Please keep me updated on your decision, too! It was awesome hanging out with you. Stay in touch and good luck with your upcoming interview! -aniedrich84

Tuesday, December 04 2007 at 07:00 PM

Congrats on making a decision! I hope I get to see you there....=)