artie205 (2022-2023)

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Application Information

F - Fee Waiver A - Attending W - Withdrawn D - Deferred
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# Law School Status Type $$$ Sent Received Complete Interview Date Decision Updated
Loyola Law School Waitlisted W Type: RA Sent: 11/01/05 Rec: 11/21/05 Comp: 12/12/05 Inter: -- Dec: 06/05/06 Upd: 17 years
University of San Diego Accepted W Type: RA $18,000 Sent: 01/29/06 Rec: 02/01/06 Comp: 02/07/06 Inter: -- Dec: 02/16/06 Upd: 18 years
University of California Hastings Rejected Type: RA Sent: 11/01/05 Rec: 11/08/05 Comp: 12/09/05 Inter: -- Dec: 05/12/06 Upd: 18 years
University of Oregon Accepted A Type: RA $6,000 Sent: 11/01/05 Rec: 11/10/05 Comp: 11/30/05 Inter: -- Dec: 02/23/06 Upd: 18 years
Lewis and Clark College F Accepted W Type: RA $7,000 Sent: 12/12/05 Rec: 12/20/05 Comp: 01/05/06 Inter: -- Dec: 02/03/06 Upd: 18 years
Seattle University Accepted W Type: RA $9,000 Sent: 01/29/06 Rec: 01/31/06 Comp: 02/07/06 Inter: -- Dec: 03/30/06 Upd: 18 years
University of California Los Angeles Rejected Type: RA Sent: 11/01/05 Rec: 11/08/05 Comp: 12/09/05 Inter: -- Dec: 02/10/06 Upd: 18 years
University of Washington Rejected Type: RA Sent: 11/01/05 Rec: 11/28/05 Comp: 12/09/05 Inter: -- Dec: 01/23/06 Upd: 18 years

Applicant Information

  • LSAT: 163
  • LSAT 2: -
  • LSAT 3: -
  • GRE : -
  • LSAC GPA: 3.23
  • Degree GPA: 3.23
  • School Type: public
  • Major: Political Science

Demographic Information

  • City: -
  • State: Oregon
  • Race: -
  • Gender: Man
  • Non-Traditional Applicant: Yes
  • Years out of Undergrad: -

Extra Curricular Information

*admissions cycle is over, so i have removed all identifying details*

Additional info & updates

Dec. 12, 2005: All apps are complete. I decided to toss an app to L&C, because I spoke with them at the LSAC forum in NY and liked what I heard. Plus they won't leave me alone with mailings and e-mails. Double plus, I like Portland. Triple plus, Scholarship $?

Jan. 15, 2006: Waiting patiently, checking mailbox, inbox, and Application Updates compulsively.

Jan. 27, 2006: I think I might throw out some late apps to Univ. of San Diego and Seattle U.
My reasoning:
1. Hedge my bets, give myself some more options.
2. I might have a better shot at Scholarship $ at Seattle U. and maybe USD.
3. If I don't get into U of W (which is likely) then I might go to Seattle U (if they give me some scholarship dollars), and if I'm not totally happy I can try to transfer to UW next year.
4. If I don't get into Hastings and USD is willing to give me more money than Loyola, then I would rather be in SD than LA.

Jan. 27, 2006 (later): UW rejection came in small, white, suspiciously empty envelope. This was my real first pick, so it was difficult for my first response to be a rejection from them. On the bright side 1 down 7 to go.

Jan. 29, 2006: Apps away to USD and Seattle U. I would really like to get into UC Hastings, but if that doesn't happen for me I think that scholarship money will make the difference for me.

Feb. 3, 2006: Accepted at L&C! I got a call from their Admissions office today. They offered a $7,000 a year scholarship. Glad to have one acceptance under my belt!

Feb. 6, 2006: I received the acceptance packet from L&C today. It came in a big white envelope. They offered to pay $350 toward my expenses to fly out and visit the campus in late March. I might take them up on it.

Feb. 9, 2006: The NY Times reported today that "Applications to Law Schools Are Declining"

According to the article:

"Last year, for the first time since the 1997-98 admission cycle, the number of applicants to law school declined, by 4.6 percent, and so far this year, the number has declined by 9.5 percent."

Less competition=good news.

Feb. 15, 2006: Okay, so it's officially mid-February. This is about the time I had considered the sweet spot for hearing back from schools, especially considering my early application to most of them. I'm still not complete at USD and Seattle, but hey I applied late. Is U of O trying to build anticipation or something? Nobody on LSN has heard back yet. Come on Ducks get it together!

Feb. 16, 2006: I finally received my UCLA rejection letter. This was a serious reach school, so I had expected this sooner. Anyway, three down five to go. Came in a small white envelope.

Feb. 21, 2006: Now that's what I call turnaround. I applied to USD on 1/29 and received my acceptance packet (large yellowish envelope) on 2/21. I am filling out and returning the financial aid application. They will have to offer a pretty good amount of financial aid for me to be able to afford going there and living in San Diego. Here's hoping. I'm batting .500 now.

Feb. 24, 2006: I had predicted to hear back from two schools this week. That prediction was bolstered by a Tuesday acceptance to USD, but alas it's Friday and I haven't heard from any other schools.

A few other frustrations:

1. The application status check on Seattle's website still has my file as incomplete (and nothing received), even though I applied via LSDAS and they cashed my application check over a week ago.

2. U of O has yet to reply to anyone on LSN, what gives?

At least I'm halfway there.

Feb. 24, 2006 (later): I exchanged e-mails with SU admissions regarding my incomplete file. They were very helpful and quick to reply. As I suspected they are experiencing a lag in application processing, so even though my check has been cashed they haven't gotten around to updating the status on their website.

Feb. 28, 2006: Seattle U updated my status to "file complete - pending decision." Crossing my fingers for a another quick decision.

Mar. 3, 2006: I have decided that my chances of getting into Hastings are so slim that I should just eliminate the possibility from my thinking. I've also decided that, because of my numbers, I probably won't hear back from them until April, and then it will most likely be a waitlist or a rejection. I've also suspect that Loyola most likely won't offer me any scholarship money and at $31k a year and being unfortunately located in L.A. drops it to the bottom of my list. That leaves me with fours schools to consider: USD, L&C, U of O, and Seattle U. I should be able to wrangle some scholarship money from each of those schools and maybe enough from each to take tuition out of the equation. So...which do I choose? There are + and - to each, but I'll have to wait to see if my predictions come true.

Mar. 4, 2006: I received my acceptance letter from University of Oregon today. They have offered a $6,000 scholarship. I also received my financial aid package from L & C.

Mar. 5, 2006: I received a call today from a recent grad from U of O. She called during the Oscars so I didn't pick up, but in the message she said she was calling to congratulate me on my acceptance and find out if I had any questions for her about U of O Law. She also said she would e-mail me later in the week. I think that's a pretty nice touch and will probably give her a call back tomorrow.

Mar. 15, 2006: I spoke to Trystan an Oregon grad. She was very friendly and extremely happy with her time at U of O, but what do you expect from someone that volunteers to call admitted students who are on the fence. She didn't quite sell me on it, but if I don't get any money from USD, it will definitely be in consideration.

Mar. 17, 2006: I spoke with Jessica in Admissions at U of O. She was really helpful and pleasant to talk to. She graduated from L&C Law and had plenty of good things to say about both programs. I was glad to talk to her, interestingly enough it helped dispell some of the rumors I had heard about L&C.

Mar. 18. 2006: I'm very impatiently waiting for the following:

1. Financial aid offer from USD.

2. An answer from Seattle U, Loyola, and Hastings.

Hopefully, I'll get some answers next week, at least on item #1.

Mar. 23, 2006: I spoke with USD Admissions and Financial Aid today, which was somewhat disheartening. I had admissions extend my seat deposit deadline by two weeks, because I haven't received my financial aid offer yet. Then I asked FinAid when I could expect my offer to come rolling in, and they said that they had not received my FAFSA info yet! I applied late to USD and had to call FAFSA to add them to my distribution list. The FAFSA customer service rep added USD instead of USD Law, arrggh. I corrected the problem and FinAid officer told me that I could call tomorrow to get a rough estimate of what they would offer me. I asked about scholarships and she basically said that those decisions had been made and I shouldn't expect to be offered anything besides loans. If this is true, USD is out of the running. Too much $$$$. I also, asked U of O to extend my deadline by two weeks because their first deposit is $400! It might all come down to U of O or L&C. Yikes, I didn't expect that.

Mar. 27, 2006: Seattle U online status checker updated to "Decision Mailed." It should arrive shortly, and I'll update at that time.

Mar. 31, 2006: I'm in San Francisco for my sister's white coat ceremony, so I arranged to tour UC Hastings. I liked what I saw. The location is great, right near UN Plaza, City Hall, and the courthouse. The facilities are adequate and the renovation seems like it would pose only a minor irritation. I could definitely see myself enjoying going to school there and living in SF. Now if they'd just let me in!

Apr. 4, 2006: My acceptance from Seattle U arrived today with a Presidential Scholarship of $9,000. Not bad. Only Hastings and Loyola left to hear from. I have a feeling that I'll have to make up my mind between the four schools that I've gotten into and then if I get in at Hastings I'll go there.

Apr. 11, 2006: Law school decision round up. Withdrawing from Seattle U, Lewis & Clark, and USD. Sending in my U of O deposit. Waiting on Hastings.

Apr. 19, 2006: What a long process this has been, I'm so glad to be near the end of it. I received a letter from U of O's office of Student Affairs, which amongst other things included a list of five books for recommended summer reading. I'm going to Strand this weekend to pick up a couple of them. I'm almost 100% that I'm going to be in Eugene for the next three years, but it would be nice to know for sure...Hastings. I'm excited to get started!

Apr. 25, 2006: I spoke with the UO residence advisor about gaining residency. He told me what I already knew, it's difficult to prove residency if you're a full time student coming from out of state. I'm an OR native and have lived out of state for only three years. He gave me a little hope that I could prove my case for residency as a 1L or 2L. I also told him that my fiancee might work for the University, which would automatically qualify me for in state tuition. That is if I can prove domestic partnership or I can wait until we're married and qualify as a 2L. I may even qualify for her employee tuition rate for up to 12 credits. That would be great. Hopefully, she can find a job there that she would be interested in.

May 12, 2006: Hastings online status checker = rejected. It's been a long time coming and is a bit of a relief even as it is a dissappointment. I just have Loyola to hear from, but I don't expect that to sway my decision to attend U of O. Oregon here I come.

May 30, 2006: I visited U of O today. Tee in Admissions and Merv in Career Services were extremely helpful. I also got to meet the new dean and she was really nice. The building and facilities are great, and I really like Eugene. I'm happy about my decision and very excited to begin in the fall.

June 5, 2006: Waitlisted? I finally heard back from Loyola today and I was waitlisted. Silly Loyola.

June 14, 2006: I got an offer for an $18k non-renewable scholarship from USD today. It's still not enough to sway me from U of O, but I would have thought twice if it had been for all three years.

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Good luck...
Sunday, October 23 2005 at 08:00 PM

to all in the LSN community. Comments are welcome.

sorry about UW
Wednesday, August 10 2005 at 08:00 PM

but I think you have real good chances at the rest of your schools! They are my top choice of schools that I have at least a slim chance at getting into, although I'm not holding my breath. p.s. GO BEAVS!

Sunday, October 23 2005 at 08:00 PM

for the condolences. i'll be happy with any of the schools that i applied to. here's hoping for good news soon.

Thanks a lot
Saturday, August 20 2005 at 08:00 PM

Thanks man. I was a little bummed out about Hastings, but I feel lucky to have other good choices. You should be hearing back soon and seem like a lock at most schools. Good luck with Hastings for you too.

buster UW
Sunday, January 22 2006 at 07:00 PM

i got dinged by UDub as well... here's lookin' at L&C or Seattle U. good luck with your other apps!

Wednesday, August 10 2005 at 08:00 PM

That is awesome, your first acceptance! And a nice scholarship to boot! Are you considering them pretty seriously? I love the NW, so I am looking really hard at L&C and UW.. might even throw in a late app. to SU. Congrats again!

Wednesday, January 18 2006 at 07:00 PM

Thanks, I am currently at UGA. Athens is a great town--I would love to stay. Congrats on L & C, I almost applied there (I want to do environmental law)

Wednesday, August 10 2005 at 08:00 PM

Did L&C ever send you an official "complete" notice or anything? Just curious because I sent my app in a long time ago and never received a complete notice, just that they had received it and requested my report. On the online status check, it shows that everything they need has been submitted. Thanks and good luck!

no worries
Thursday, December 22 2005 at 07:00 PM

don't worry about UW if you want to practice in Seattle. Word is the lawyers that come out of there are crap. Congrats on Lewis and Clark. Do you know anything about Willamette? I hear the school is nice but that Salem is pretty dull.

seattle U
Thursday, December 22 2005 at 07:00 PM

I wouldn't worry too much about applying late to Seattle U with your lsat. I loved undergrad at Seattle U. It's very much a community there. As for the law school, I believe the incoming class sizes are twice that of the UW for what that is worth. As far as choosing to go there or not, I think it all depends on where you want to practice. If you'd rather practice in the Seattle area, I'd probably choose Seattle U over Lewis and Clark, even if Lewis and Clark is harder to get into. I think people get to wrapped up in the US news rankings. It's a great regional school that is actually more involved in the Seattle legal community than the UW, and it's a good place to start networking. Also, I believe their faculty make-up is just as good as UWs. So it's probably just a matter of if you want to practice in Oregon or Seattle. Of course, if you get into Hastings, I'd probably go there because it has a great national reputation. Apparently it dropped dramatically in the rankings one year for no reason and the school never recovered, but it's amazingly well respected.

Above Post
Wednesday, August 10 2005 at 08:00 PM

The post above was written by me in case you were wondering. I'm not sure why it says "logged user"

the home stretch
Sunday, January 22 2006 at 07:00 PM

hey artie, seattle U sweetened the deal with $13k. i\\\'m leaning towards SU at this point, but mcgeorge or L&C would be cool too. i visited all three campuses, and i could imagine myself living in each city. but there are other factors to consider, such as where my fiance gets a job. at the end of the day, i\\\'m just stoked i got in to some good schools. where do you think you\\\'ll land?

hoping for hastings
Sunday, January 22 2006 at 07:00 PM

yeah, that's exactly where i come out. i visited mcgeorge last week actually. the school is pretty nice, and i got a good feeling about the campus while walking around. but sac, on the whole, is not so desireable. even midtown, the "hot" place to live, wasn't nearly as nice as capitol hill in seattle, or downtown portland. i'm looking to do IP law, so SU seems to be my most solid choice. i wouldn't give up on hastings just yet! would you take USD or hastings over the others sans scholarship? i imagine that would be a tough choice. just wondering, why didn't you apply to any NY schools? is there any reason you'd take UofO over L&C?

Wednesday, March 01 2006 at 07:00 PM

I appreciate your advice, I have been interested in u of O for a couple years now, however I havent gotten word on whether or not I will get in. Im putting my estimates at 50-50 or 60-40 decline-accept. The problem however is the move and whether or not Im willing or able to move all the way out to Eugene. It sounds like I would love it there, and everyone I talk to that has lived there has loved it as well. I wont have any money to visit there, or Denver for that matter, plus I will be a very poor law student that wont be able to fly home more than once a year, and it will be very expensive to move out there. I will also be moving with my S.O. which could factor in as well. Like i said, I appreciate your advice.

loyola v Seattle?
Thursday, December 01 2005 at 07:00 PM

Just out of curiosity, why did you rank seattle before loyola?

Sunday, October 23 2005 at 08:00 PM

I have a couple of reasons why I prefer Seattle over Loyola and they all boil down to personal preference. One of the biggest factors is that I don't like L.A. and would prefer not to live there. On the other hand I love Seattle and could see myself living there for a long time. Secondly, money. Tuition at Loyola is $31k and Seattle is $25k. Loyola probably won't offer a scholarship, and I think that Seattle U will. Plus cost of living is higher in L.A. than in Seattle. Loyola would have to give me a serious scholarship to make up for the fact that I'd have to live in L.A. and to make it worth abandoning decent schools like U of O and USD where I would be happier living. Also, I read a review on that said Loyola was in a really bad neighborhood, and I would rather not deal with that if I don't have to.

Seattle University
Sunday, July 17 2005 at 08:00 PM

Tuition is actually slightly above 28,000 (I know, I just got their award letter a while ago). It's been edging up there for a few years now. In 2002, it was a steal at 22,000. (sigh) I'm leaning towards Seattle as well because of the low attrition rate and the strong human rights program. Don't know if I'm ready to leave Cali though.

Seattle University
Sunday, July 17 2005 at 08:00 PM

Tuition is actually slightly above 28,000 (I know, I just got their award letter a while ago). It's been edging up there for a few years now. In 2002, it was a steal at 22,000. (sigh) I'm leaning towards Seattle as well because of the low attrition rate and the strong human rights program. Don't know if I'm ready to leave Cali though.

Seattle University
Sunday, July 17 2005 at 08:00 PM

Tuition is actually slightly above 28,000 (I know, I just got their award letter a while ago). It's been edging up there for a few years now. In 2002, it was a steal at 22,000. (sigh) I'm leaning towards Seattle as well because of the low attrition rate and the strong human rights program. Don't know if I'm ready to leave Cali though.

Sunday, January 08 2006 at 07:00 PM

Did oregon scholarship info come in the same letter as the acceptance? I didn't get one and I am surprised! Thanks

U of O
Thursday, January 26 2006 at 07:00 PM

So I guess Oregon is where you are heading? I called today only to find out they did not offer me any money. the admissions lady said sorry, but made no suggestions. They are my top pick and money is the only barrier now....What do you think?

Monday, January 09 2006 at 07:00 PM

Thanks for the link. It's always interesting to see someone else's decision anxiety! I'm going to go to Oregon, too, unless I get into Colorado, where I was just, finally, placed on the waitlist. Maybe I'll see you in Eugene next year!

decision time
Tuesday, December 27 2005 at 07:00 PM

Right now I'm going with USD. I withdrew form U of O and L&C.

U of O
Monday, February 06 2006 at 07:00 PM

I visited last week and loved it. The people were great and it was one of the few sunny days that they get out there. I will definitely see you there in the fall...

Sunday, April 09 2006 at 08:00 PM

You're right that finally deciding on a school is a huge relief. Look forward to meeting you this fall.

isnt this crazy?
Tuesday, January 03 2006 at 07:00 PM

I am still waiting on Hastings and Loyola as well!!!! Your numbers look pretty solid so I think you have a very decent chance at both... if they would only answer already, some of us need to know, right?? oh geezzzz..........

Tuesday, January 03 2006 at 07:00 PM

I'm really hoping that when Hastings says that they will make a decision by "early May", they really do mean "early May". I don't really know where I'll end up, I figured if worst comes to worst it would be Southwestern and since I already live in L.A. I wouldn't have to move... but I can't quite let go of my Hastings dream just yet :) But we'll just have to wait and see... good luck!

sorry about Hastings
Tuesday, January 03 2006 at 07:00 PM

I suffered the same fate... oh well... San Francisco is way expensive anyways... Hastings can suck it... :) Best wishes @ U of O!!!