juicyfruit (2022-2023)

I have calculated, from a purely numerical standpoint, that we have roughly a 40% chance of being admitted to American. This is based on the published Apps/Admits for American in the 2006 LSAC ABA guide to Law Schools. 365 applicants applied with an LSAT between 160-164 and with GPA's between 3.00-3.24, and of those 365 applicants, 144 were accepted. I would say that means we have at least a decent shot. I don't see a flat out rejection, possibly a waitlist, but hopefully no flat rejection. Thats just my guess. I'm really hoping for American, as it is one of my top choices. Good luck to you, let me know if you hear anything - I will do the same.

DOS is Department of State. Don't really know chances at American or other beyond the numbers game; although it seems as though numbers are the big thing now. Been out of school long enough to be frustrated with this. Good luck to you too.

looks like my thoughts were wrong about american. received a ding today in the mail. good luck to you.

We applied to a ton of the saem schools, although most people did with my list. I really want to go to American. Good luck with your applications.

I am a senior at Tulane U. You?

Actually, the election was just this past year. When I was there, there was still quite a bit of rebel activity - nightly gunfire, mortars etc. Pretty cool experience, beautiful but violent country. I wrote about the death of the WHO representative there. I don't honestly think most schools really look at more than numbers with the 10'000s of applicants. Kind of depressing, actually - but, I have yet to hear from a majority. Have you heard from anybody yet?

I was pretty upset when I got my American rejection, because I really thought that, at the least, I would be waitlisted....just proves how much of a crapshoot this admissions thing really is. I went to the U. of Rochester undergrad. Good luck with your apps!

Thanks, will do. Good luck to you too!

i dont know about cardozo...yeah, i go to U of Mich. I have a friend who got into dozo with a 3.2 and a 161, but i dont know if i will even go because i have a lot of better offers on the table from higher ranked schools right now

Well I just got rejected from U of M last week... so obviously not good! Oh well, I pretty much knew that was coming... Good luck!

I don't remeber the P.S. I left, what did I say?

In my personal statement I wrote about my various leadership positions, and how I always lead those around me. Then tied this to Law school, my peers, and pursuing a legal career. I thought it was one of my better pieces of writing

It's okay. Most likely wouldn't have gone there anyway. I want to stay in the southeast. Would've been nice to have been accepted though. I go to University of West GA. Where did you go? Good luck with the Process!

a deferral means that they are holding my application to look at later in the admissions process to compare it to the entire applicant pool. and yeah, i got the deferrals because i applied early action to those schools, that is when they defer someone. i was pretty surprised by temple waitlist as well, but at least it wasnt a rejection. good luck to you, ill keep checking here to see how you're progressing.

...for the note on Loyola and Temple. A few reasons why I think I got into schools: 1.) High grad school GPA (3.58) with a concentration in Health Law. 2.) For Loyola, I wrote their optional essay highlighting my strength and interests in health law, where they have a strong program nationally. 3.) Strong LOR's, one from a law school professor who taught me during my masters program. 4.) Significant work experience... 5.) Getting my apps in a few months ago. I guess that's mostly it. Best of luck!

Cardozo sent me a two page letter. The first page said I could be added to the waitlist if I sent in a written request. They aslo offered to put me in consideration for the summer term if I sent in a written request. They allow you to be on both lists. They said they do NOT rank the waitlist if I remember correctly. I hope that helps. Good luck with everything.

my gpa is about the same as yours, and I did not recieve a completion email from miami. i go to marywood u in PA

No, neither one did. Tulane sent an e-mail acceptence and Miami came through the mail.

I received a postcard from them in the mail notifying me that they had received my application and that there weren't any missing accompanying materials. In addition, I checked the LSAC site to make sure that my application and letters had been submitted. I did not receive any notification after the postcard. I wish you the best of luck! :)

I am finishing up at UT-Austin...I wrote my personal statement about my extra-curricular activites and how they related to the study of law (writing, research and public speaking). And then finished by talking about my internships in law and how they solidified my desires to pursue a legal degree.

I wrote in my PS that I negotiate, write contracts for and sign multi-million dollar contracts that involve brand labeling, and antitrust issues. Also, I did some leadership roles in college.

You also asked what's the deal with Loyola WL me... I dunno. I guess they saw something no one else saw that they didn't like.

yes, tier 1 is only through 50. congrats on Tulane! i just got accepted today. what are your thoughts on this school? i think i'd go if i don't get into anything better

yes i am planning on visiting april 7th - how about you? i've been stalking the LSD forums and the general consensus is the law school is back to normal, and most of uptown is too. so i'm not terribly worried about the condition. my main deterrent is $45k/yr is hideous. even with 10k scholarship i can't come close to affording it. i'm thinking about asking for more $

Thanks man; good luck on yours as well!

I called admissions to ask if my application was complete. The woman told me that GW would have a decision by the 1st week of April.

thank you, congrats on your acceptances. vanderbilt puts so much emphasis on lsat so that made me kinda sunk since i am below their average.

I'm pretty stoked about making the waitlist at Emory. I love Atlanta and Emory is one of my top choices, so I'll definitely keep my name on the list and hope for the best. What are your thoughts on Tulane?

I got rejected by BC. =/

On the acceptances you have in hand, and thanks for your comment on BC waitlist. Hope to see more of the same -

Just updating you on Cardozo as you requested - I was waitlisted. Good luck on your apps!

I'd say Katrina is a non-issue. The school is probably slightly BETTER post-Katrina.

Thanks for your thoughts. I was waitlisted at Loyola (in LA) today. Truthfully, if I get in, that's where I'll go. It's deposit time and I don't know what the heck to do. I will definitely deposit Southwestern due to convenience and my older brother is there. He loves it. For a change, I will probably do the same at USF in a few weeks unless some other offers come in. Good luck to you.

I've no idea where I stand with American. Truth be told, I was somewhat surprised by the WL offer, considering how people with =/> #s have been flat out rejected. Average ECs/WE, average GPA w/ average majors (admittedly at an above-average school, but still, small margin there). I'm guessing that my PS and my LORs saved me from a straight ding. Two points of interest in their letter: a) the WL is "not ranked" and b) they ask that I "refrain from sending additional items to supplement [my] application." "Wait," indeed. UG = not GT. Close, though. For anonymity's sake, no full disclosure, but think along those lines, go just a bit north(east), and, bulls-eye. Thanks for your comment. Best of luck to you. Leaning any particular way?

I'm a little skeptical with Tulane. Unless the school made more scholarship offers of higher quantities, there is no way the school will maintain the caliber of incoming students it has had in the past. There's just too much uncertainty surrounding the school. I'd look for the median and 75th LSAT scores to drop. Although at the same time, the school has a terrific reputation and isn't going to lose that reputation anytime in the near future (after you have been working for several years).

Not BC, either. :) GT's more of a gas tank than an Amtrak ticket away from where I went. Anyway, Tulane. Not sure. Torn between idealism (a good school with a good program in international law, an opportunity to observe and participate in NO's reconstruction) and pragmatism (Since I don't plan to stay in NO, reputation > networking opportunities? Do I really want to spend three years in a city that's currently characterized by uncertainty?) Still, like you said, my highest-(USNWR)ranked acceptance by far, so, I can't discount that.

congrats on making the waitlist at american, its a step up from a rejection and you've already gotten into some great schools. you going to stay on it?

Close(r), but still no. Since you've been such a sport, I'll give you this. 1st question I get about my UG = "Were you pre-med?" Anyhow, planning to stay on American's WL?

Correct. :) Re: Cardozo v. Tulane. Subjectively, I'd choose Tulane because a) my dealings with 'Dozo have been less than pleasant, b) I applied for their spring start, so, staying on their WL would be too much of a hassle now, and c) Tulane just feels like more of a fit. Objectively? I'd still say Tulane, although, really, I think you could make a good case for either. It'd come down to personal preference. Anyway, my rationale: a) a Tulane law degree travels better out of NO than a Cardozo one does out of NYC; b) Tulane's scholarship seems to have more breadth and depth to it; and c) while I think it's underrated, Cardozo's growth smacks to me of USNWR sycophancy, and I find that off-putting. YMMV, of course.

Tulane seems like it will be OK in the long-run. There's a lot of construction going on around the school. A lot of the homes that were flooded are being gutted and redone. Because of this, and the lack of garbage collection services, there was a lot of trash on the streets. I think that in a few months, once the construction is done to all the home and public services become regular, the area around Tulane will be pretty nice. As far as the school itself, I don't think its reputation will take a significant hit in the next five years. The school is certainly going to face some financial problems in the next year or two, and some professors will undoubtedly leave or be fired, but as long as good students keep coming the school will be fine. I don't foresee any huge changes happening anytime soon. As for damage around the school, if you didn't know anything about Katrina you would just think there is a lot of remodeling going on among the neighborhoods around the school. In other areas away from the school, there was some pretty heavy flooding, but you wouldn't be frequenting these areas much anyways (low-income housing). Nothing is certain with Tulane in the future, but it's still a very very good school, and I don't see that changing soon.

If you are SURE you want to work in NYC, take Brooklyn. If you think there's any chance you might want to work anywhere else, take Tulane. Tulane places only marginally worse in NYC than Brooklyn anyways. As far as the Washington U waitlist ... eh, chances of getting off are slim, but i'll take it over a rejectioni anyday. I think waitlists are just due to the decrease in applicants this year.

Oh, i forgot to say that Tulane will have a smaller incoming class in hopes of keeping its GPA and LSAT medians constant from last year.

I haven't been too either school, and I don't know much about either school. I do know that American is great for government work, and is on the rise somewhat, but I don't know much more than that. As for Cardozo, I get the impression that it's along the same lines as Brooklyn ... third string to better NYC schools ... but third string on the best team. I get the feeling Cardozo will be slightly better than Brooklyn five years from now. I also know a few professors have left Tulane, and a few will be visiting next year. I'm not too worried about the visiting profs, I think that's somewhat normal. I don't know if the profs leaving are significant, or if they are just part of the ebb and flow of law school. But, in the long-run, if the law class stays like the incoming class at 50 people less than usual, it would only make sense to let some professors walk. I think it is no question that Tulane has a better national rep than Brooklyn, but I'm not sure about just in NYC. Have you talked to any lawyers in NYC about it? Where are you leaning towards attending? P.S. - Shoot me an e-mail and we can talk more if you want, this comment box gets kinda tiresome.

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Very, very hard. Again, I think you could make a good case for either. Agreed about American re: facilities and location. Still, DC is DC - no better locale for international law (except NYC). Which isn't to knock NO - Louisiana's law has a singularity to it that makes it a good setting for studying comparative law. I'd say their programs are equally strong. American appears to lean towards public as opposed to private international law. Still, good offerings overall. Considerable breadth and depth to their curriculum. Tulane has their European legal studies focus, and I think they've a journal that's a staple for quite a few European law libraries. Plus, from what I've read, they're making an effort to expand their offerings on top of what they already have (which is not unimpressive) - coursework, study abroad, etc. You want to end up in NYC, right? I think Tulane would place better than American there. Also, I don't know Tulane's bar passage rates, but I've heard that American can put you at a disadvantage because its IL focus can be incompatible with the nuts and the bolts of the law you need to know for the bar. Still, strictly hearsay. Hope this is somewhat cogent and coherent - and useful. :)

I think it's pretty much a toss-up for you over the two schools. American has the better program, Brooklyn the better location for you. I think this makes it a push. Although, I think that it will be a lot easier to get a job in NYC out of Brooklyn if you are in the top 20% of your class than if you were in top 20 at American. I think American is the better school though, and would give you better opportunities outside of NYC. Brooklyn's ranking is skewed by the fact that its prime locale attracts bright students who want to be in NYC but can't get into Fordham, NYU, Columbia. If you think there is any chance you might not want to practice in NYC after graduation, I would be hesitant attending Brooklyn. I just sent my deposit into Tulane, and I will be attending there unless I get off some of the waitlists I am on. Its definitely in a state of flux currently, but I think the school will be OK in the long run, and it has the best national reputation of all the schools I was admitted. Also, the faculty and staff seemed really helpful, honest, and supportive, and the students seem really bright. Should be an interesting three years. Hope this helped.

Wash U gives you more flexibility. Also depends on what kind of law you wanna do. But if you wanna be in NYC, I'd choose Wash U over AU.

Have you visited AU? I've spent time at both and in my eyes there was no comparison. Wash U is a beautiful, academic feeling campus versus AU which is a office building in the suburbs of DC. Wash U also has a large number of grads on the West Coast - the ranking of Wash U also puts you at an advantage over Hastings and Loyola whereas American would be less competitive. Of course, DC has its advantages but think about how you'll compete with Gtown, GWU, GMU, Howard, and Catholic students.

Sorry didn't realize you were thinking about NYC and Intl Law. AU has a spectacular Intl Law program but Wash U has its new center as well. I'd talk to the career service and ask how well Wash U does in NYC. I doubt it would do less well than AU. If you have an AU degree - you'll have to stay in DC

Well I'm thinking either NYC or DC when I graduate, and probably criminal law. I had already decided on Wash U even before the scholarship offer came. According to USNews numbers, both AU and Wash U send 11% of their students to the NYC area. I chose Wash U because it has a better national reputation, where as I felt AU was more regionalized. 75% of AU grads end up in the DC area, whereas Wash U's alumni are a little more disbursed.

Wow, that is pretty amazing you got into Washington U. I'm definitely considering paying them a visit and expressing my interest. Thanks for the heads up. Do you know of other people who have visited and been accepted?