annieg (2022-2023)

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Application Information

F - Fee Waiver A - Attending W - Withdrawn D - Deferred
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# Law School Status Type $$$ Sent Received Complete Interview Date Decision Updated
#71 Columbia University F Accepted W Type: RA Sent: 11/19/06 Rec: 11/19/06 Comp: 12/27/06 Inter: -- Dec: 01/25/07 Upd: 17 years
#62 University of California Berkeley Accepted W Type: RA Sent: 11/19/06 Rec: 11/27/06 Comp: -- Inter: -- Dec: 01/25/07 Upd: 17 years
#88 University of Virginia F Accepted W Type: RA $60,000 Sent: 11/18/06 Rec: 11/19/06 Comp: -- Inter: -- Dec: 01/09/07 Upd: 17 years
#76 University of Michigan Ann Arbor F Accepted W Type: RA $54,000 Sent: -- Rec: -- Comp: 01/08/07 Inter: -- Dec: 01/16/07 Upd: 17 years
#63 University of Chicago Accepted W Type: RA $50,000 Sent: 12/02/06 Rec: 12/06/06 Comp: -- Inter: -- Dec: 02/22/07 Upd: 17 years
#31 Stanford University Accepted Type: RA Sent: 11/18/06 Rec: 11/20/06 Comp: -- Inter: -- Dec: 01/03/07 Upd: 17 years
#68 Harvard University Accepted W Type: RA Sent: 11/18/06 Rec: 11/21/06 Comp: -- Inter: -- Dec: 01/09/07 Upd: 17 years
#26 Yale University Accepted Type: RA Sent: 11/30/06 Rec: 11/29/06 Comp: -- Inter: -- Dec: 02/12/07 Upd: 17 years
#87 New York University F Accepted W Type: RA Sent: 12/24/06 Rec: 12/27/06 Comp: -- Inter: -- Dec: 01/16/07 Upd: 17 years
#87 Duke University F Accepted W Type: SP Sent: 11/19/06 Rec: 11/22/06 Comp: 12/19/06 Inter: -- Dec: 12/20/06 Upd: 17 years
#90 Georgetown University Waitlisted W Type: RA Sent: 12/02/06 Rec: 12/05/06 Comp: -- Inter: -- Dec: 03/07/06 Upd: 17 years

Applicant Information

  • LSAT: 172
  • LSAT 2: -
  • LSAT 3: -
  • GRE : -
  • LSAC GPA: 3.9
  • Degree GPA: -
  • School Type: HYP
  • Major: humanities

Demographic Information

  • City: -
  • State: -
  • Race: non-URM
  • Gender: Woman
  • Non-Traditional Applicant: Yes
  • Years out of Undergrad: -

Extra Curricular Information

3 years WE, some relevant
master's degree

my LSAT and GPA numbers are fudged a bit...but they're close to my real stats.

The numbers in the left-hand column above are Chiashu. Notice anything strange about my decisions? Yeah, I thought so, too.

I've thought a lot about this, and I don't think my extracurriculars or college honors really offer the explanation of why this cycle was so successful for me (and, yes, I'm really really pleased and grateful).

But here's what I think: I used my personal statement to address, if somewhat indirectly, the question that would probably be on all the ad comm's minds -- why in the world are you changing course and applying to law school now? Well, I had very definite, strong, and specific reasons. And, throwing modesty out the window, I think I wrote a pretty kick-ass statement. But beyond that, I realized *after* I drafted the statement that, in fact, my reasons for my decision to go to law school seemed like a logical extension of key academic, professional, and personal experiences that were referenced elsewhere in my application. In other words, I had a story that made sense, and it wasn't a story I had to manufacture.

I really still don't understand how applicants determine whether they've received "great" vs. "good" vs. "ok" letters of recommendation. But according to the vague criteria I've seen, I guess mine were pretty good. That is, they were all from professors I'd worked with closely, who were up-to-date about my interests and work, and who had pretty long conversations with me about my reasons for applying to law schools. So I'm sure that helped.

And, yes, obviously my numbers are good as well, but my LSAT and GPA are not "auto-admit" level for Harvard, Stanford, or Yale. So I think the quick turnaround on those applications really did have to do with soft factors.

Additional info & updates

4/1 - will be withdrawing from Michigan and Virginia this week. I'm sort of sad to let go of those two -- especially Michigan, whose admissions office contains the nicest, most helpful staff on the face of the planet.

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lovelyavocado cannot follow directions.
Tuesday, December 26 2006 at 07:00 PM


Hope you get more comments
Monday, September 04 2006 at 08:00 PM

Here is a comment to make you feel as if you are getting more attention. Your Friends at LSD

ask and you shall receive
Monday, July 17 2006 at 08:00 PM

You don't have comments because everyone is jealous. Good luck this cycle.

Thursday, June 29 2006 at 08:00 PM

I wish I had your numbers.. that is all I'm gonna say.

lovelyavocado cannot follow directions.
Tuesday, December 26 2006 at 07:00 PM

you don't need to go complete at b or gtown, you already hit the money ;)

Wednesday, December 13 2006 at 07:00 PM

Did you have your Recommenders turn in the specific Stanford form, or did you just send it via LSAC?

Wednesday, November 02 2005 at 07:00 PM

You know what I'm talking about! :P

Wednesday, November 01 2006 at 07:00 PM

Same to you, twin. Hopefully we'll have similar acceptances all down the line, but mostly congrats on Stanford!

Harvard & Stanford
Saturday, September 16 2006 at 08:00 PM

Congrats on the acceptances! Amazing stuff.

Thank you!
Monday, October 16 2006 at 08:00 PM

Congrats on your amazing cycle! Here's hoping we both get into Chicago tomorrow!

Monday, May 02 2005 at 08:00 PM

Huge congrats on your acceptance to Harvard!! And best of luck for Yale =D

Saturday, March 18 2006 at 07:00 PM

Grats on Harvard!

Thursday, October 19 2006 at 08:00 PM

Impressive doesn't begin to describe it. I imagine you still haven't settled on anywhere yet, but who's the leader as of today ?...if you feel so inclined.

Friday, May 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

Hey, thanks so much for the sweet note and kind words. I do agree, and not just because, self-servingly, I clearly have a personal and vested interest in this model of a well-rounded applicant overcoming a (for these schools) below-average LSAT score to gain relatively ambitious acceptances. But I do like to think that it can work that way -- though it belies the name of this site to say so, it clearly must be about more than just the numbers, otherwise a computer could pick each school's entering class for them. In your case, I have to assume that your narrative behind why law school at this time was reasoned, structured, and compelling, and that that is why you've achieved the remarkable success you have. I am a big fan of narrative for that reason. Those are sterling numbers, of course, but you are right to note that they hardly explain the speed of your various admissions. Which would make your narrative and general self-presentation dispositive. What does "HYP" for school type mean, if you don't mind my asking?

Friday, May 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

You're likely right about the value of decent writing, too. I'm neurotic enough that I would never claim to be a good writer, but, realistically, I have to say I'm a strong writer. And you're certainly right, it's somewhere between staggering and painful how little practice at this some people can get alone the line, be they high-testing students or even, yes, graduated and practicing attorneys (in my unfortunate personal experience).

Friday, May 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I fear that the acronym still makes me think of a personals ad -- HWP HYP grad seeks same for learned discourse -- but at least now I will have a better-informed pun in mind. Clearly, Yale talks in a way that, say, Cornell doesn't -- nothing against Cornell, of course, but I'm sure they mean different things when one is applying from either school. Personally, I went to Reed College, which I loved. At the man on the street level, people either think I'm a drug user, or a fantastically brilliant student, or both. Or they've never heard of it; that's actually probably the most common response. Lord knows what the relevant acronym would be for Reed and its peer institutions; I don't think I've ever seen RSO (Reed-Swarthmore-Oberlin), or the like, bandied about. Thank you for the gloss, though.

clean sweep!
Thursday, July 13 2006 at 08:00 PM

wow, congrats!!!! Where are you leaning?

Nice batting average!
Monday, June 05 2006 at 08:00 PM

Talk about batting 1.000! Sure wish I was in your situation--best of luck to you, at whichever school you choose.

more unsolicited praise
Friday, May 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

You seem to have one of the more mature perspectives on this entire process that I've seen (to the extent that it's possible to glean such from this site, of course). You also have one of the more enviable records of success. I somehow doubt that this is a coincidence.

Friday, May 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

Hey, glad to do my part to improve the overall tone of your web discourse for the day. Personally, I never got into LSD, so I can assure you that I'm not one of the voices heaping recriminations on you there for whatever ostensibly insensitive comment you may have made. Regarding age, wisdom, and maturity, boy do I hear you. I'll be 29 myself, close to 30, by the time spring 2010 rolls around and my J.D. is nearly in hand; I think that makes me not quite as old as you, but, I humor myself, more than old enough to appreciate your point about experience. If I look back on what I've done since graduating from college (which itself came a year later than it does for many people, as I spend a year living abroad right after high school), I have little doubt that it had an effect, probably a considerable one, in the remarkable success of my law school applications to date. More importantly, I think that it cannot help but make me a better attorney, too. I suspect that I would do just fine in the law school classroom at either 21 or 31, but also that, when it came time to actually represent someone, additional experience, particularly from outside the classroom, can only be a great help. I'm an academia refugee myself, and I adored studying classics both at Reed and beyond -- but now that I'm preparing to move to law school, I'm extremely grateful for the additional experiences I have had. Okay, so that was both long and self-aggrandizing, but I would say that I strongly agree. The end.

Friday, May 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

If it makes you feel better, I got curious about what you could have said in LSD that would so draw others' ire, and poked around there briefly. Assuming that you're referring to the non-traditional students vis--vis H, Y, and S thread, I'm not quite sure what everyone else's problem is. However, this is the sort of reception that makes me feel better about staying clear of LSD. So there.

Thank you!
Saturday, September 16 2006 at 08:00 PM

Well, you kicked its ass. I only hope I do half as well. Congrats on the recent Chicago acceptance! Leaning any particular way yet? (I think I know the answer to this, but I'd like my suspicions confirmed...)

Wednesday, July 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

Did your first interview with Toby Stock start out with an email that said he wanted to speak to you about your application? Let me know when you have time, I'm borderline freaking out about it

Wednesday, July 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

I appreciate it. Congrats on your amazing acceptances!

Sunday, January 07 2007 at 07:00 PM

Your point is well-taken, but ultimately withdrawing makes me nervous; it feels too final, even from U of H. I don't know if something might happen in my life in the next month that would cause me to need to take a full scholarship offer rather than go into debt; if it does, I'd like to have that option open. In the end, me rushing my decision won't help anyone anymore than waiting for another 6 weeks. Whoever decides to matric at U of H will do so, and the people on the waitlist will get their place eventually. The timing doesn't make that much of a difference. I am well aware that no T20 school is going to care at all about my scholarship offer from U of H :D

help needed from another phd dropout.
Thursday, March 01 2007 at 07:00 PM

Dear Annie G, Could you email me( I think my email is viewable by you.) I have some questions about going to law school as a phd dropout. I am currently in a Phd program, but very unhappy in the program and will obtain a masters degree in one year. I think that law school would be a much better choice for me. Yours truly, Jay

Sunday, November 19 2006 at 07:00 PM

Congratulations on all the great choices that lie in front of you! I was also a "soft-facotrs admit" at YLS, although I'm sure I don't have the interesting academic life story that you have.

How Long it Took to Accept Yale's Offer
Wednesday, July 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

Let's put it this way, Dean: "I'd like to invite you to become a member of the class of 20-1----- Me: YES! ... that is, If you're serious.... are you serious? Dean: Yes. Me: OKAY, YES! YES! YES! :)

Wednesday, July 12 2006 at 08:00 PM

my phone call didnt seem very relaxed... or maybe I was really nervous I cant remember:) How is the decision process shaking down for you???

Thursday, August 24 2006 at 08:00 PM

Clearly, you played the game well, and you deserve all the success you've had. Your explanation of your approach toward the application alone shows your readiness to begin a career in law. Using the limited and awkward format to create an interesting and believable story is the name of the game. Kudos for doing it so well!!! On another note, what is up with GTown? From what I have seen, they have the strangest admissions procedures. You would think a bunch of the country's best legal minds could figure out the admissions process.

Choices... ugh!
Thursday, August 24 2006 at 08:00 PM

The thing I'm trying to decide right now is when to take myself off the waitlist at Penn or Michigan. I cannot wait all summer. It would drive me insane. Otherwise, I am definitely leaning toward GW. UIUC is an amazing school and really cheap, but the prospect of being a couple blocks from the White House and a couple miles from the Capitol/Supreme Court, is very tempting. And I love cities, which UIUC utterly lacks.

I always click submit too soon...
Thursday, August 24 2006 at 08:00 PM

I actually don't envy your situation. I wouldn't know what to do with myself besides rolling around in all the acceptance letters. :P What are you leaning toward? Also, I'm curious to hear about your phd work. I'm keeping that option open for my late 30s or early 40s.

Thursday, August 24 2006 at 08:00 PM

Yeah, LRAP at all three are amazing. I have a friend who chose Harvard for that reason. She wants to be a public defender. What kind of public interest are you looking at?

Wednesday, November 01 2006 at 07:00 PM

Waiting to hear from Stanford was so nerve-wracking, but I'm so grateful for how this cycle has worked out. I was all of 300 feet from the dean's office when she called, and I'm not entirely convinced that she didn't hear me scream after hanging up the phone. Good luck on making a decision!

Wednesday, December 13 2006 at 07:00 PM

Congrats to you too! Sweeping HYS isn't a bad way to begin a legal education :) Now about those choices...

YLS vs SLS financial aid
Monday, May 01 2006 at 08:00 PM

Annieg-- As someone who currently lives in the Bay Area, I really do think that the SLS estimated student budget is enough to cover expenses. Especially if you live on-campus (studio apt or share a 2-bedroom) and limit your eating out, you'll be spending about $1600-$1700 a month. Also, since I'm a West Coaster, there would be additional relocation/travel costs if I moved to New Haven, which actually makes the difference even bigger. Are you leaning towards any school in particular right now?

Tuesday, December 05 2006 at 07:00 PM

for the congrats. Way to rock the cycle, and have fun at Yale. I guess that's not an oxymoron either 'cause now you don't have to worry about grades right? That's gotta be a nice feeling :)

Saturday, December 09 2006 at 07:00 PM

to you too! are you close to making a decision?

Monday, May 01 2006 at 08:00 PM

So have you made a decision yet? Will we be classmates next year???